Not just that, it would also be helpful for the child too. It would be inhumanly cruel to let the child live in a shame and low self-esteem for the rest of his or her life. Better spare him or her all the misery.
However, I also support the raped victims choice not to have abortions and yes, there are some women who chose not to even though they were impregnated against their will.
Yeah, especially if the mother is very traumatized by the rape and if the baby reminds her of the rapist, I mean, it would not only be wrong for the mother but for the baby as well. Because the mother might either neglect their children, mentally and physically abuse them, or send them to foster care so they WILL be abused. And later on in life, due to the neglect and abuse the child might grow up to be mentally ill, criminal, rapist, or even a murderer...
Contraceptives fail. While I personally don't think abortion is an acceptable remedy for failed contraceptives, I still think the choice should be left up to individual women. There's no reason why the right decision for me would or should be the right decision for ALL women in that situation.
A woman whose life is threatened by complications of a wanted pregnancy shouldn't have to roll those dice if they don't want to. Even if it isn't a wanted pregnancy, if the woman is going to die because of complications or something like an eptopic pregnancy, she should have the options to abort. :\
There are many more reasons that women get terminations than that.
How about women who are in danger of dying due to complications of a pregnancy, wanted or not? They shouldn't be forced to gamble with their life that way just to please complete strangers who are on a self-perceived moral high ground.
Having known rape victims myself, it's a no-brainer for me that abortion should be an open and guilt-free option for them. There's no way some of them would have been able to carry out a pregnancy, physically, mentally, or emotionally. I draw the line when it's a human being who is already here being completely mentally destroyed for the sake of a fetus. :\
That's why they should be protected and supported, yes, but given the option to kill young humans? I can't reconcile that unless the mother can't physically carry to term. I don't believe in giving the death sentence to innocent parties.
That said, protections and options for rape victims (in the U.S., at least) are sickeningly limited. Right now the options are basically: abort or don't abort. In fact, only 18 out of all U.S. states provide any legal protection for rape victims. In all the other states, they're treated as women with regular unwanted pregnancies. The lack of sympathy given toward rape victims sickens me, and it sickens me even more that they only help they get is an option to kill their child.
"...given the option to kill young humans? [...] I don't believe in giving the death sentence to innocent parties."
To me, "young humans" is a manipulative term that tries to make an independently living, sentient infant/child the same thing as a fetus that's smaller than a peanut and not even recognizable as a human being yet. They're not the same thing.
You seem to contradict yourself in your comments when you say that rape victims should be "protected and supported" but turn right back around and say they're basically murdering babies. How in the hell is that supportive? You're labeling them as murderes!
"Right now the options are basically: abort or don't abort."
I assume you are from the US since you have the state stats and such (it's listed as "unkown" on your profile). That being said, though, what other options ARE there other than "carry the pregnancy to term or don't"?
Or rather "be shamed if you do or shamed if you don't"?
Anything that comes after the birth is moot as far as the options for a rape victim at the time the decision is made. Yes, the baby can be adopted out and there's gov't aid out there to help raise the child if the pregnancy is able to be carried to term, but that's IF. For most rape victims, it's not even a choice to be made because there is absolutely NO way that they could ever handle carrying their rapist's fetus to term.
A former friend of mine who was raped over 20 years ago is still mentally traumatized enough that anybody other than her husband touching her "down there" makes her dissolve into hysterics, female doctors performing routine pelvic exams included. How the hell would a woman as scarred as she was be able to handle carrying out a pregnancy? In that case, termination IS the only option, and one they're grateful to have.
If a woman IS mentally/emotionally strong enough to carry out a rape pregnancy and actually keeps the baby, and she needs gov't aid in order to take care of that baby, she's only going to face more shaming and ridicule, mostly from the same group of people that would have shamed and ridiculed her for terminating! Those same people will often label her a welfare queen, lazy, slutty, etc., that she's getting what she deserves for "not keeping her legs closed", or she should have thought of that before having sex. They don't give a damn whether or not she was raped. They label women across the board for aid the same way they label women across the board for termination, and that is sickening to me.
"The lack of sympathy given toward rape victims sickens me, and it sickens me even more that they only help they get is an option to kill their child."
Again with the contradictions. For most women they wouldn't be "killing their child", they'd be "terminating their rapist's fetus". They're two completely different things mentally and emotionally. They're not handing out a "death sentence". They're trying to find a way to heal and salvage their physical, mental, and emotional well-being that these people don't give a damn about if her uterus is occupied.
I know you don't feel the same way but to me, while terminating the fetus is the unfortunate collateral damage of the rape, there is absolutely NO comparison between a raped woman and a fetus as far as importance goes. One isn't even sentient yet and has a 50% chance of spontaneously aborting on its own. The other IS a sentient human being with a life, a figurative home with a family and people who love and care about her, and a heart/mind/body/psyche that has been stripped and traumatized and is experiencing unimaginable pain and suffering because of that. I find it sickening when complete strangers think a fetus is more important than her.
I look at it this way: I have an 18-year-old niece who is very petite (like 5'0" and barely 100lbs) and very pretty. If she were impregnated by rape -- God FORBID -- the only thing I would give a damn about is HER well-being and trying to mend everything that was broken by her rapist. If she chose to terminate (which I know she would) and some self-righteous strangers selfishly started harrassing and shaming her for wanting to terminate, telling her she's "killing her child", "murdering her baby", etc.? I would want to tear their throats out because how dare they. Who the hell do they think they are?
And I say "selfish" because to me, they are. All people like them care about would be her making the choice that satisfies them and what they think is right, NOT what is right for her. They don't give a damn about her; all they care about is that fetus. And in many cases, once that fetus is born and is an actual child, they don't give a damn about IT anymore, either. Those people are heartless monsters.
Now, I very much know that not everyone feels this way, but I do: in cases like that, those people are no better than the rapist that impregnated her in the first place. Both parties are only interested in their own selfish desires: the rapist only saw her as a sex toy with a pulse, and the others only see her as an incubator with a pulse. In both cases, they don't care about her. To negate the importance of her and focus all of it on a fetus crosses a line of decency in my book, and it's just obscene. To me that is the most sickening, monstrous, wrong thing in the world.
That's the same way that many people feel, and different than how many other people feel, but there it is. That's why nobody will ever convince me otherwise when it comes to rape victims, and it's also why I'm not trying to convince you, either. In both cases, it won't work, plain and simple.
I'm sorry this was so long. It's a hot button issue for me. :\
Yeah, I can tell this is a hot button issue for you. Tearing peoples' throats out? Uh-huh, yeah, sure. That kind of emotional response has made you lose all respect in my eyes.
Labeling them as murderers? No. Murder is defined as the unlawful killing of a human being(s). Abortion isn't murder. Either way, I still cannot reconcile giving the death sentence to an innocent party, no matter how depressed that makes someone else. The kid didn't choose his father or that he was conceived. Do we punish other criminals by killing their children? The kid is as much the mother's as it is the rapist's. Sorry, but I cannot in any way reconcile giving an innocent party the death sentence.
I think you understand my point about there being only two options for rape victims: abort or don't abort. Like I said, only 18 out of all 50 U.S. states provide any sort of legal protection for rape victims. The rest? Well, if you go to the hospital, they offer you an abortive pill and send you on your way. Surprisingly, what most rape victims are troubled about is not that they are unwillingly pregnant, but rather how people treat them: "Her chief complaint is "how other people treat her." This should be very sobering to everyone. How is she treated? Do others understand the trauma she has experienced, and love and support her? Or, do they avoid her and act as if it was partly her fault, or worse? Just think, if all such victims were given generous love and support, many more than at present [which is over half] would carry their babies to term." Mahkorn & Dona, "Sexual Assault & Pregnancy." In New Perspectives on Human Abortion, University Publishers of Amer., 1981, pp. 182-199 Mahkorn, "Pregnancy & Sexual Assault." In Psychological Aspects of Abortion, University Publishers of Amer., 1979, pp. 53-72.
And I have to point out that your numbers about "most rape victims being unable/unwilling to carry a child to term" are flat out wrong. Fewer than half of women impregnated by rape choose to abort. The balance carry the baby to term. (S. Makhorn, in Psychological Aspects of Abortion, Mall & Watts, Univ. Pub. 1979, Pg. 58).
There you go again, "terminating their rapist's fetus." Biologically, the fetus is as much hers as it is the rapist's, and there are other outstretched arms that will adopt and love that baby. "Interestingly, the pregnant rape victim’s chief complaint is not that she is unwillingly pregnant, as bad as the experience is. The critical moment is fleeting in this area. It frequently pulls families together like never before. When women are impregnated through rape, their condition is treated in accordance, as are their families. We found this experience is forgotten, replaced by remembering the abortion, because it is what they did." M. Uchtman, Director, Suiciders Anonymous, Report to Cincinnati City Council, Sept. 1, 1981.
I don't understand your logic. Basically, if a human is helpless enough, it's fine to kill it if it makes someone else happy. Or if a human is unrecognizable, say deformed, it's okay to kill it if it makes someone happy. I stand for women's rights to control their own bodies, yes, but in my book, their body ends where another's begins. I hate rape with every fiber of my being, and I hate how weak our laws are against it and how rape victims are given only two options for their "recovery," but keeping all abortions legal for the 1%? Most rapists are serial rapists with an average of 8 victims. If our laws functioned as they should, a rapist would only be able to claim 1 victim. Essentially, if the law functioned as it should, pregnancy from rape would all bu disappear. As it is now, it's already incredibly rare, but imagine how much rarer it would be if rape were reduced to an eighth of what it is now. You might prefer to focus on getting rape victims to abort, but I'm going to head toward the root of the problem: weak laws managing rapists.
Besides, are you even aware that abortion from rape contributes fewer than 1% of all abortions? I can tell you have zero sympathy for children conceived through rape, but would you be content if abortion were kept legal for only rape victims?
True, true! A woman should be eligible for an abortion if she was raped, not if she was out drinking and having sex with strangers on the street. However, if she's poor because she was robbed of all her money (or in other words, it's not her fault), she could be entitled to it because she just can't support another kid. If it's her fault, as if she spends all her money on something (stupid), then she shouldn't be able to abort the baby. If the husband/boyfriend wants you to, then forget him! It's a woman's choice. Even though some feminists say that a woman's entitled to her rights, the world's overpopulated, and the fetus isn't developed enough to make its own decisions. It's still sad when it doesn't get to experience the works of Disney or the sound of music.
This is a super sensitive and horrible topic. And I'm not going to bash down on your opinions here, live and let live. I don't think a women should have to go through carrying a child from rape, that's awful, but you know what? It's not the baby's fault. :/ This is my opinion, I'm not here to argue about this or start a debate.
Or human beings in general. It's mentally scarring for either genders, but when a man rapes a woman and a baby happens, the woman is constantly reminded of it. That isn't the motherly bond that people are looking for in life.